News Brief: Dem Leaders, Free Speech Warriors Mostly Shrug as Trump Disappears Dissidents
Citations Needed | April 2, 2025 | Transcript
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Nima Shirazi: Welcome to a Citations Needed News Brief. I am Nima Shirazi.
Adam Johnson: I’m Adam Johnson.
Nima: You can follow Citations Needed on Twitter and Bluesky @citationspod, Facebook Citations Needed, and become a supporter of the show through Patreon.com/CitationsNeededPodcast. All your support through Patreon is so incredibly appreciated, as we are 100% listener funded. We do these News Briefs in between our regularly scheduled full-length episodes. And today, Adam, we really wanted to talk about the ongoing assault on free speech that we are seeing, maybe the most kind of nakedly fascistic time that I can remember. People are literally being disappeared off the street because of thought crimes, because of either leadership or participation in anti-genocide protests or literally writing an op-ed in a student newspaper. People are being kidnapped by secret police in front of their families, in the dead of night, off the street. And while there has been some vocal opposition to this, we’re also witnessing an incredible silence from centers of power and people with influence.
Adam: Yeah, silence or really kind of half-assed denunciations, I think is kind of the way you sort of, there’s a lot of box-checking going on, and we’ll discuss that box-checking, but it seems very low on the partisan priority list. And there are, of course, ways of gauging this, ways of figuring this out. I mean, first things first, there’s been very muted response with respect to the most influential Democrats in the country. There hasn’t been any condemnations or mentions from former presidents Joe Biden, Barack Obama. Former Democratic presidential nominee Hillary Clinton hasn’t said anything. She’s also a Columbia lecturer, so it seemed even more urgent why she would condemn the kidnapping of a former grad student in Columbia. The heads of the House and Senate minority leadership, Chuck Schumer and Hakeem Jeffries, they issued these kind of token statements after Mahmoud Khalil was detained and sent to a prison in Louisiana that were very heavy on condemnations, especially Chuck Schumer’s, which is one of these kind of great, With friends like these, who needs enemies? He wrote, quote,
I abhor many of the opinions and policies that Mahmoud Khalil holds and supports, and have made my criticism of the antisemitic actions at Columbia loudly known.
So Mahmoud is an antisemite. He’s a racist.
Mr. Khalil is also legal permanent resident here, and his wife, who is 8-months pregnant, is an American citizen.
While he may well be in violation of various campus rules regarding how the protests were conducted last year, that is a matter for the university to pursue, and I have encouraged them to be much more robust in how they combat antisemitism…
So you got to call him a racist twice.
Nima: Yes. He should be punished.
Adam: “…and maintain a harassment-free campus…”
So implying that he’s harassing people.
“…that protects safety and security…”
Implying he’s menacing.
“…Jewish and other students.”
Unquote. So this is kind of a great, this is how you know you’ve kind of made it into the upper echelon of liberal elite, where, like, every single thing you do that’s moderately principled or moderately solidaristic with underprivileged people has to be front-loaded with 18 different condemnations.
Nima: Needs to be caveated by like, literally libeling someone.
Adam: And then Hakeem Jeffries issued a kind of very perfunctory statement, saying, I want to see evidence. This was kind of the go-to line for a while. And then on March 29 released a press release criticizing Trump’s ICE arrests, but did not publish it on his Facebook, Twitter, or any social media, so he seemed a little bit embarrassed about it. But overall, this is obviously not really a priority for Democrats and Democratic leadership. The mentions have been obligatory.
Now, I will say that over 100 Democrats in Congress, which is about half of the Democrats, mostly progressive, liberal wing, did issue a statement, quote-unquote, “demanding answers.” So it’s not like Democrats are not doing anything, but the Democratic leadership and Democratic elites and media have been very slow to have any urgency around this. The New York Times editorial board had one throwaway line saying, Eh, it’s probably not a good idea. And one editorial, that was all they’ve done in the last month since this began in earnest. He was arrested on March 8. And then there was, the Washington Post did a, you know, sort of Trump’s war on academia that had a throwaway line about it, but it was mostly, again, relying on, ‘Let’s see evidence’ line. This is the sort of compromise line.
But there’s an unprecedented, over 300 people are being told to self-deport under pain of arrest. A dozen or so have been arrested, and many haven’t spoken to lawyers in days, being sent to jail conditions in Louisiana. So this is sort of a five-alarm fire of attack on free speech, so-called free speech, or political speech. Groups like the Anti-Defamation League support this. AIPAC supports it. A lot of pro-Israel groups support it.
Nima: Doxing groups like Canary Mission are, like, literally behind it.
Adam: Right.
Nima: Making the lists that are now being used by the Department of Homeland Security, by the FBI, by ICE and other agencies, the State Department. And speaking of the State Department, I mean, you know, Adam, when we talk about the kind of reasons behind what is happening, and I think we’ve mentioned this before, but it’s worth repeating. The administration is being clear about what they’re doing. They’re not even couching these secret police arrests, kidnapping, detention, spiriting people away to, you know, far-flung states, far from their families and any kind of legal counsel. They are clear about why they are doing this. They’re not even pretending that there are quote-unquote, “criminal” or legal actions for doing this, which I’m sure would have been bullshit anyway.
But to make this clear, last week, on March 27, Secretary of State Marco Rubio said that he had signed, as he said, approximately 300 letters revoking student visas with the explicit aim of deporting people who disagree with the official US government line about Palestine. And he said this, quote, “If they’re taking activities that are counter to our foreign — to our national interest, to our foreign policy, we’ll revoke the visa.” End quote.
And then later, while on a state trip, Rubio said this, quote,
At some point I hope we run out because we’ve gotten rid of all of them. But we’re looking every day for these lunatics that are tearing things up. I encourage every country to do that, by the way, because I think it’s crazy to invite students into your country that are coming onto your campus and destabilizing it.
End quote. So again, this is purely about anti-genocide protests. If you oppose “foreign policy,” quote-unquote, of the United States, if you oppose what they are deeming to be the interests of the government of the United States, you will be subject to arrest, detention, deportation, I’m sure a whole raft of other horrible things purely because of how you feel about US foreign policy and that you’re vocal about it. This is the antithesis of anything related to free speech. But yet, Adam, guess where the Harper’s letter folks are landing on this.
Adam: Right. So, for a piece Sarah Lazare and I wrote, we did, we wanted to sort of see where the free-speech crowd was. And one way you kind of measure that is to look at the 2020 Harper’s letter, which was the sort of grand manifesto of curbing radical leftwing, for the most part, leftwing sense censorship on free speech and, quote-unquote, “open debate.” So roughly 145-ish people signed that letter. Some people took their names off. Some people tried to add it later, and we went line by line, person by person, to see if they had spoken out against this pretty obvious assault on campus free speech. Again, campus free speech was the impetus of the Harper’s letter, and it seems like kidnapping international students and deporting them for pure political speech, again, Marco Rubio is clear about this, would be a five-alarm fire in the free-speech crowd.
So we looked at, of the 145 options, which is to say, we eliminated people who had since passed since 2020, obviously they can’t speak out, and those who kind of retired from public life, or are obscenely old like, say, Noam Chomsky. And we removed them from the denominator, and looked at how many of the 145 have condemned Trump’s assault on campuses. And the numbers aren’t great. It’s 34, roughly 23.45%, so less than a quarter of the Harper’s letter signatories have said anything in the past four weeks since this purging of free speech began in earnest. And some notable silence for sort of, obviously, most of them haven’t said anything or haven’t publicly condemned it. But the more obvious ones are Jonathan Haidt, David Brooks, David Frum, John McWhorter, and, of course, Malcolm Gladwell have published, they’ve said things publicly, somehow haven’t mentioned this assault on campus free speech. Obviously, Bari Weiss is championing them. She supports it. This is someone who, I believe, and I think some reporting has indicated, was pretty much the ringleader behind the Harper’s letter, which was, in retrospect, really a way of opening up space for so-called scientific racism and transphobia. Because, again, this was in the backlash to George Floyd basically.
Nima: Exactly. Things have gotten so woke that you can’t be openly racist.
Adam: Pretty much, yeah.
Nima: So therefore doing so is now a revolutionary stance. Standing up for free speech, right?
Adam: So one of the people who organized the Harper’s letter and championed it, and obviously built her career on it, the Free Press, of being this kind of oppressed free-speech warrior is very openly, I think she tries to couch it in like, just asking questions, but she’s very openly for this and for deporting these students and platforms people at the so-called Free Press who support deporting students. Again, this is not just to do a hypocrisy own because at this point, I think it’s obviously kind of tedious with these people. Obviously they’re full of shit. But it is a useful way of extracting out how the so-called liberal free-speech crowd, is pretty useless for the most part. There are exceptions, and I will note those exceptions. I mean, obviously the ACLU has been filing lawsuit after lawsuit over this. PEN America has issued a statement, albeit a fairly, I think, fairly weak one. And of course, many people on the Harper’s letter, with a very heavy kind of, He’s a piece of shit, I agree he’s a piece of shit qualification, but people like Matt Yglesias, Anne Applebaum.
Nima: Dahlia Lithwick, Damon Linker, Hussein Ibish, yeah.
Adam: To name a few of our usual punching bags. To be clear, Anne Applebaum did condemn this in her piece, although it’s worth noting that in her piece from March 16, where she did condemn Trump’s assault on these students, Applebaum referred to, again, this is someone who wrote an op-ed in 2002 advocating for the killing of Palestinian journalists, which she’s been harassed for a bunch of times. So maybe she shifted positions. But in her so-called defense of Mahmoud Khalil, she refers to him as Khalil Mohammed. So she didn’t even bother learning his name. “The prosecution of Khalil Mohammed, who advocates for an unpopular cause,” unquote. So I looked it up. There’s no one named Khalil Mohammed.
Nima: No, the unpopular cause is ending genocide.
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Adam: It’s actually very popular, as it turns out. But maybe there’s a bizarro Mahmoud Khalil named Khalil Mohammed who has, like, more unpopular opinions we don’t know about that she has access to that I can’t find on Google. And it would seem like if there was a time in which one needed a second Harper’s letter, right, they need to get the band back together, and create another Harper’s letter that can be passed around for influential academics and media elites to come out in solidarity, it would seem like the kidnapping of various students and obviously that began with Mahmoud Khalil, it seemed like that would be a really urgent time to get the old email list back, the old group chat back, and be like, Hey, guys, let’s get another Harper’s letter. It’s coming up on the fifth anniversary. We can just do this every five years.
And this, of course, was why we were very skeptical of the Harper’s letter to begin with, because it was obviously a rightwing stalking horse in the sense that it was this abstraction. Any time you’re signing a petition for an abstraction, right? I support open debate. Okay, well, what, in what context, and what specifically, where are those parameters? And like, are you going to mention the suppression of speech of people in prisons or Palestinian activists? Which, again, is what we said back in June of 2020, when this came out. And, of course, no, because those are too difficult and messy and offend people in power. So we’re just going to kind of keep it vague. And really what we’re talking about is, you know, purple-haired bisexuals on NYU’s campus, who are kind of the ultimate arbiter of what you can and cannot say for some reason, not the Department of Homeland Security, not the Immigrations and Customs Enforcement, not the White House, not the State Department, but sort of recalcitrant woke people on Twitter and on college campuses who fucking annoy me.
Nima: Yeah, exactly. That they’re somehow, you know, putting the reins on the free speech of someone like JK Rowling.
Adam: Not the executive branch of the United States. And so the reason why I think this is useful is because, again, I think everyone who claimed to be for free speech should be bullied in the sense that it can perhaps create a movement where people will come out and say, again, hopefully without all the front-loading of condemnation, say, This has gone too far. Trump is stripping the green cards and citizen or semi-citizenship status of over 300 people for pure political speech. Again, I can’t think of a more naked assault on so-called free speech. I mean, I can’t, I can’t imagine it. The Supreme Court has been pretty clear about this. ACLU, various groups have been clear about this for decades, that citizenship, that because you’re visiting a country, or you’re a resident of a country, you don’t just not have any constitutional rights. Like, that’s been pretty clear. That’s been upheld by several courts. Because some of them are trying to be like, Well, they’re not Americans. And then you’re like, Well, okay, so Biden can arrest Jordan Peterson when he comes for, you know, criticizing him? Well, no, that’s different. Why? Because he’s white? Well, yeah. And so, in theory, there needs to be more pressure on so-called liberal, the protectors of the liberal order to, like, say something and do something, and not just sort of check the box with one statement or one tweet, which, by the way, a lot of these are that. We had a very, very conservative threshold for what counted as support. And you can go through the list on our Excel sheet we link to in our article. But it’s a very, very low threshold.
Nima: Just say something.
Adam: I need to see evidence.
Nima: Yeah, exactly.
Adam: And if we increase the threshold to actual solidarity and actual urgency, it would be less than 12 people.
Nima: But meanwhile, you know, we’re even seeing public opinion being gamed in a certain way. There’s a recent CBS News poll conducted March 27 to 28, 2025, so just this past week, of adults in the US responding to this question: “[Is it] acceptable or not if some U.S. legal residents are mistakenly detained?” And so the kind of fine print here that was asked was, if some legal US residents are mistakenly detained by immigration authorities, would that be an acceptable part of the larger deportation program or not an acceptable part of the larger deportation program? And even with that kind of push polling, and public opinion is showing that you know, over 70% are saying that is not acceptable, right? You can’t just round up people by mistake, while nearly 30% are saying, Yeah, that’s fine. But I bring this up because of even the framing of the question is doing that kind of caveat front-loading, right? It’s saying, Look, what if there’s some horrible egregious mistake and some white kid from England is accidentally, you know, picked up, rounded up, but they actually have a student visa, or they have a green card, or whatever, that would be deemed unacceptable. It is not making the direct line connection here between people who are legal residents and have spoken out about genocidal US policy, those are not kind of called out as necessarily being mistakes, right? Because they are not mistakes.
Adam: Well, yeah, and I’ll say this, whenever you bring up the fact that Democrats, whether it be, you know, over DOGE, or whether it be over attack on trans rights when you say, and by the way, this is not the Left anymore. This is coming from mormie, MSNBC, minivan people. This is not like a leftist thing. Whenever you expressed anger at a lack of urgency, a lack of seriousness, a lack of organization, a lack of seeming like they give a shit again, for many reasons, some of which is the fact that they just agree with a lot of what Trump does, but also they’re sort of venal and indifferent. People say, Well, why are you blaming Democrats? This is Trump’s fault. Like, obviously, and this is something people have a really hard time getting their heads around, which is that the people who run the Democratic Party and elite Democratic-alighed media are paid a lot of money and have a lot of influence. They have pretty much one job. We’ve given up on any kind of liberal vision. We’ve given up on, you know, universal health care, you know, any kind of post-World War II vision of liberalism. We don’t do that anymore. Right? Their entire moral claim to power is that they’re going to stop Trumpism and Trump and sort of ascendant fascism, right? That’s their one job, okay? And if they fail at that, they have to be criticized, because they are not the embodiment of the Left or the Center-Left. They are just the guys hired to supposedly defend and protect it. And it’s such a bizarre thing to say, Why are you always blaming Harris and Obama? The guy’s just trying to retire and, you know, tweet out March Madness brackets. And it’s like, Well, because with that power and fame comes a certain moral responsibility to achieve a basic task, and it’s to prevent the far Right from emerging.
Nima: Which is also part of their stated brand.
Adam: To make a hacky sports metaphor, if I’m a Bears fan, and I think their former coach Matt Eberflus is doing a bad job. He never beats the Packers. They go five and 12 every year. And I criticize Matt Eberflus, and your response is, like, Why do you hate the Bears? It’s like, no, the job of the coach is to win. And you saw this with the Biden/Harris campaigns in Gaza, where it’s like, we are trying to help you defeat Trump by ending a genocide that’s deeply unpopular. And you criticize, and they say, Well, you’re only helping Trump do this. We had a perfect counterexample, which is that Biden was clearly aging and dying thing, where you would criticize it initially, because they were only helping Trump. And it’s like, that’s assuming that Biden is the entire manifestation of opposing Trump, like they’re embodied in a single person. And you criticize leadership, whether it’s a CEO, whether it’s a party leader, whether it’s a fucking coach of the Bears, whatever it is, because they’re bad at their job and they’re supposed to do their job better. And this idea that somehow all criticism of the leader is somehow carrying water for Republicans is a very popular idea because it protects people in power. And it sort of sounds superficially true, right? You’re only helping the bad guys by going after the good guys. And it’s like, yeah, but the good guys are not good at their job. And I don’t have that much power, I assure you. This is why there’s so much anger and frustration. You look at the approval ratings of Chuck Schumer, they’re in the toilet. You look at the approverings of Democrats in Congress with their own base.
Nima: Well, because it’s pretty clear what you need to do, right? It’s pretty clear and, and we’re seeing not only the total kind of abdication of any sort of resistance. That could even be #Resistance at this point. I mean, come the fuck on. Anything. But we’re not only seeing that from so-called party leaders, but also across academia, which is this kind of first line of attack for MAGA, for the Right, and has been for decades, right? This idea of the liberal, ivory-tower academic elite here, and we’re seeing these attacks. We’re seeing grad students, you know, picked up off the street, and these institutions that they are studying at, that they belong to, that they are part of, that community, are not standing up for them. And so there’s this, there’s also this complete abdication of what we would understand as even nominal solidarity, let alone really standing up to these, you know, kind of fascist assaults on a student body, and therefore, on free speech and on the idea of quote-unquote “open debate,” right? They’re failing even at that basic kind of like Bari Weiss level.
Adam: Yeah, and let’s talk finally, I guess, to wrap it up here, the biggest failure of the kind of liberal striver class, which is the academic institution, deans and presidents, the kind of administrative staff who all released the same statement after one of their students is spirited away and kidnapped. We mocked the University of Minnesota version a few weeks ago. We actually read it. We’ll spare you that.
Nima: But rest assured, a lot of other universities are doing the same thing.
Adam: They all have the exact same formula, and it’s really the sort of perfect distillation of kind of managerial liberal rhetoric, which is, they wash their hands of it. We didn’t know about this. We just found out when you found out. Blah, blah, you know, sort of powerlessness, right? Asserting powerlessness, we didn’t take a role in it. We’re washing our hands of it, but we’re not really going to do anything about it. They don’t actually condemn it. They say, We’re waiting on more evidence, because you can’t actually have a position on anything, God forbid. They use this kind of ‘We hear you, We see you’ rhetoric. They position themselves along with you, the students being kidnapped, even though they’re extremely powerful trustees of billions of dollars and have all this influence and power. And then they end it with my favorite. They all do this. They offer mental health support. If you’re feeling anguished about the fascistic masked men coming and kidnapping black and brown people, please go to this link and look up a local counselor, a therapist to talk to. I mean, it really is that meme where the guy’s just drowning and they just give him a high five. It’s like, okay, there’s no call to action. There’s no like, what are we gonna do about it? There’s no moral–
Nima: There’s no, Our campus and neighborhoods are closed to these secret police agents, right? Like, we will fight. Nothing. There’s nothing like that.
Adam: And you read it, and you feel kind of good, because, again, at first glance, even more cynical, I would read that and go like, Oh, they have nothing to do with it. And they’re like, vaguely upset about it. And then you read it again, you’re like, Oh, this is just pure liberal ass-covering and vague therapy speak. This is not a meaningful statement at all. They may as well not even have said anything, because it’s really just about kind of washing their hands of it and saying, What are you gonna do? It’s the Department of Homeland Security. I don’t know, call to action. Organize a protest. Say what you’re going to do, say there’s a lawsuit, do something, like fucking talk about, you know, having some kind of protection for students, like, something, anything at all, and they just, Sorry, you’re on your own. Tough shit, kid.
Nima: And not only that, but it also kind of gives away the actual perspective of the institutions, because they’re saying in those same statements, We do believe everyone deserves to be safe on our campuses. They don’t mean the people who are being arrested. They mean the precious students who were really kind of upset that there were anti-genocide protests going on on campus. Those are the people whose feelings need to be protected.
Adam: Well, protesting genocide is a form of racism. Yes.
Nima: They’re the ones who need, you know, the mental health support. And you know, maybe if you’re kind of upset about your friend or someone who has a name that sounds vaguely like yours getting disappeared, I guess you can call that number, too. But really, what we’re gonna do is we’re gonna partner with the ADL to make sure that, quote-unquote, “everyone” feels, quote-unquote, “safe.”
Adam: Yeah. Johns Hopkins University issued a memo to their students and faculty saying that they would be in trouble, be expelled, if they helped a student evade ICE or they reported ICE raids, or in any way obstructed ICE raids.
Nima: I mean, that’s just total compliance, right?
Adam: Yeah, because most, again, I think a lot of these administrations just agree with what Trump is doing, but they have to remain in good standing with the liberal ACLU crowd, so they kind of try to have it both ways. I mean, that’s really what you’re seeing. It’s a spectrum, right? It’s a spectrum of ideological commitment to punishing anti-genocide protesters, so kind of, we’re going with it because of that. It’s kind of like the ADL. Then there’s just genuine cowardice, like I’ve talked to so many people over the last few weeks, and the mode, the vibe out there is, just keep your head low. Anyone who gets any kind of, nonprofits are worried about being audited. They’re worried about, you know, people coming up their ass with a fine-tooth comb. Universities, academics are worried about being fired, having a whole program shut down. They’re worried about, everyone is complying in advance. Everyone is doing, keeping their head low.
Now with us, not to be too sanctimonious, but we’re user supported. So what? What the fuck my name’s Adam Johnson, right? I’m like, again, I got a slaver name. Like, what are they gonna do? Fucking take away my birthdays? The point is, like, this is the vibe right now with everyone you talk to, is that people are scared shitless. There’s a sense of terror. And again, I get it, like, again, as someone named Adam Johnson, who doesn’t, isn’t dependent on these funding sources. Like, I can be as self-righteous as I wish. So in some senses, I’m not trying to be too self-important or be too smug about it, but I do think that, especially if you’re an American-born person, and again, you know me, I don’t ever do the sort of self-flagellation or the self-indulgent white ally stuff. But I really do think that if you do have a slaver name like Adam Hubbard Johnson, now, more than ever, is the time you need to say something, and especially if you’re not dependent on these funding sources and you have independent funding, now is the time to stand up and say something, because you’re not exposed to the same level of risk.
And that’s all I’ll say. And that’s kind of like a blanket statement. And obviously there are exceptions to that, but I I think now is not the time to just put your head down and hope it blows over, because there’s very little indication it will blow over, and many of these same superstructures in terms of criminalizing the protests of genocide, whether it’s climate change, increasing the influx of migrants south of the border in the next 10, 20, years, this is all going to be with us. It’s not just something that’s going to blow over, the idea that we could just kind of wait around.
Nima: This is the beginning. And if you’re not strong in your, from condemnation to action, whatever, wherever you are on that spectrum, right? If you’re doing nothing now, at the beginning, when things continue and things get worse and worse and worse, not only will you not have built up networks or a record of actually, you know, standing for anything, but it will be even harder when then all the funding is gutted, right? You not saying anything is not going to keep your funding flowing. That’s the thing. They’re already coming for you. You’re already on the list. Keeping your head down is getting increasingly more difficult, and this is you know the case for the nonprofit world and the funding world. And of course, you know those who rely heavily on federal dollars, and that purposefully taking that funding away from groups that do immigration law and condemning all immigration lawyers as enemies of the state, which Trump is doing, and gutting these systems, whether it’s about, you know, children who are here without their parents, who are alone, and in, you know, detention and deportation hearings, all of this funding for these groups is getting slashed.
And the thing is, that’s going to keep happening. Staying quiet is going to just exacerbate this. It’s not going to be like, Oh well, you know, thank God we got out of that. This is the beginning. And so we try not to be soapbox-y here, Adam. But I think it’s incumbent on people to really understand what solidarity and you know, speaking out means right now, because the more silence is going to mean the more deportations, the more horrors, and just the more power that this, you know, fascist state is going to amass with just no resistance, right? With just complying in advance. And so I think there need to be ways that people band together right now, otherwise we’re going to have no one to turn to when things get even worse.
Adam: I think that’s right.
Nima: But that will do it for this Citations Needed News Brief. Thank you, everyone, for continuing to listen to and share and support the show. We cannot do this without you. Of course, you can follow us on Twitter and Bluesky @citationspod, Facebook Citations Needed, and if you are able to, please do become a supporter of the show through Patreon.com/CitationsNeededPodcast. We are totally independent of corporate sponsorship, of running ads and commercials, of grant money. The way we are able to do this is because of the amazing support of listeners like you. So please do help us out if you can. We will be back very soon with more full-length episodes of Citations Needed. But until then, thanks again for listening. I am Nima Shirazi.
Adam: I’m Adam Johnson.
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This Citations Needed News Brief was released on Wednesday, April 2, 2025.
